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I completed my CCW course last weekend and am considering a handgun. 

I love the durability and reliabilty of the Glock handguns, right now considering either a Glock 19 (9mm) or Glock 20 (10mm).

I do plan to shoot both and a few others before making any decision. 

I welcome any thoughts and comments.

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If you're going to go Glock OFG, go .40 S&W, ask any cop!

 

Don't you have to register the gun you use on your CCW? In my county, you can only have 2 guns on your CCW and you have to own them and take the training course WITH them before you are issued the CCW. The most dissappointing aspect of the CCW is that you can't use reloads.

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If you're going to go Glock OFG, go .40 S&W, ask any cop!

 

Don't you have to register the gun you use on your CCW? In my county, you can only have 2 guns on your CCW and you have to own them and take the training course WITH them before you are issued the CCW. The most dissappointing aspect of the CCW is that you can't use reloads.

Law in Iowa lets you take the course without even shooting (yeah, crazy).  After Jan 1, 2011, Iowa becomes a "shall issue" state, so if you pass the background check, take the course, they have to issue your permit.  The course I took also covers CCW.

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OFG, I really loved my Glock .40, but it was just too big to carry as a CCW.  I gave it to my uncle Hank.  I'm going to get something lighter and smaller next time.   

 

Think about where you want to carry your CCW.  Some like to carry theirs on their hip, others in a shoulder holster, others prefer it at their waistband in back, etc.  You may want something a little bit smaller and lighter if you plan on carrying it in your pocket.

 

 

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OFG, I really loved my Glock .40, but it was just too big to carry as a CCW.  I gave it to my uncle Hank.  I'm going to get something lighter and smaller next time. 

 

Think about where you want to carry your CCW.  Some like to carry theirs on their hip, others in a shoulder holster, others prefer it at their waistband in back, etc.  You may want something a little bit smaller and lighter if you plan on carrying it in your pocket.

Great info, Holly.  I would not carry all the time, just certain times and I want to be legal.

 

The class I took was very good. The instructor was very down to Earth and stressed a lot of common sense. 

One thing he said that was great:  "If you go out drinking and carry - you are a DUMBASS!".

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In police training by the time they get through telling you all the problems with carrying a fire arm you think you would be better off leaving it at home. The scenario they discuss is what happens if you pull your gun and the guy still wont stop? If you pull it be prepared to use it or dont pull it at all.

 

A cop goes into a laundro mat and theres a woman screaming. A man has a knife at her throat. The cop pulls his revolver and yells "drop your weapon". Instead the guy pushes the woman away and throws his knife at the cop. The cop fires killing the attacker. He just killed an unarmed man.

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Can you give me some ideas why, Rocky?  Thanks.

 

Two main reasons: 1) Way more stopping power than the 9mm. 2)Tighter grouping than the .45 because less recoil.

 

Disclaimer: I have NOT shot a .40S&W but I work with ALOT of the deputies at the sheriff's dept and that has been their recommendation from the get go.

 

I mainly carry the Ruger .357 five shot snub nose. Every one of the deputies I talk to keep telling me to get a .40 S&W because of the 2 listed reasons. However, (and I tell them this too) In my line of work, I'm more concerned with wildlife than I am people. I'd rather blow a hole in a cat or bear with a .357 AND they (bears or cats) won't be able to try and slap me with a civil wrongful death suit because the ammo I carried in my gun was intended to kill. That's why it is unlawful HERE to use reloaded ammo, because a lawyer will JUMP on that opportunity to demostrate to the members of the jury that the shooter had the intent to kill, no to protect. Our CCW class has a LOT of emphathis on the LEGAL rammifications of carrying too. Keep that in the back of  your mind.

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A Glock, Springfield xD or XDm, or Smith & Wesson M&P are all top notch guns.  My personal preference--and that's all it is--is for the M&P just because it feels best in my hand.  The main thing to remember is that if you get a gun that is so big and heavy that it's too uncomfortable to carry all day it will be left behind at home or in the car.  If the day were to come when you need it you want to be sure to have it.  The mid-size Glocks--model 19 9mm or 23 in .40 S&W--are my favorites.  If I were going to get another Glock, I would choose one of those two.  The M&P and Spingfield's XDm in 3.8" barrel version are close to the same size and weight, but a hair bigger than the Glocks.  Both the M&P and the XD/XDm series are available in compact versions though.  Today I picked up something I hadn't tried before, a SigSauer P250.  It had a good feeling grip and a decent double action trigger.  S&W's new SD9 or SD40 is another one to consider.  Another thing to consider is this:  Springfield and Smith & Wesson are offering "kits" with their pistols right now.

 

http://www.the-m-factor.com/html/home.html

 

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_764151_-1_757781_757781_image

 

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_757962_-1_757752_757751_image

 

I've owned 9mm, .40, .357 Sig, and .45 caliber versions of a lot of semi autos.  9mm is by far the cheapest to feed, you can find some great deals out there on ammo.  The .40 S&W has more umph than the 9, but less recoil and higher capacity than the .45.  The .357 Sig is a .40 case necked down to .357 cal, with ballistics comparable to the .357 mag.  The ammo is probably the most expensive, though.  I went with a M&P40 because during the height of the ammo craze of the last couple of years there was ALWAYS .40S&W ammo at the local WallyWorld, and because it does have a bit more umph than the 9mm.  I wouldn't feel handicapped with a 9mm though.

 

Now, if you look at revolvers there are a lot of good choices out there.  My favorites are still the Smith & Wesson 638 and 642, but both are available in .357 magnum (649 and 640) versions that are heavier than the lightweight snubbies, but no worse to shoot than the Airweights with .38+P ammo.  Ruger's new LCR is a neat revolver, light but not punishing to shoot with standard loads and not too bad with +P's.  

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My dad and I took the CCW course a few weeks ago. We got the the certificate in the mail and sent in for more paper this week. (Background checks, etc.) We have to wait til the proper paper work comes back now to go and get our license. Anyway, I was thinking about a handgun to buy myself.

 

Now this next part may seem scary or inappropriate to some, but I was thinking about getting one my kids could shoot if they choose to. My 2 oldest ones are teenagers and my youngest one 10. The youngest may be the only one interested. My reason for getting one they can shoot is so that I can be the one to teach them gun safety. I prefer my kids didnt learn it from someone else. I have some rifles and can teach them that way. Its never been an issue until I took the course and decided to buy a hand gun.

 

Many a kid near and around us have been hurt bad or worse. Most of the time it was because they were curious and never knew how to respect a handgun or rifle. But back to my point, I may have to consider a .22 at first then maybe later buy a more powerful gun latr.

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The ONLY problem I have with allowing a teenager or younger person to have a gun is that the temptation to "show off" their gun is irresistible at that age.  Heck, it's irresistible at MY age!  You may trust your child to be responsible, but if he or she shows it to a friend, that friend may grab for it and it can go off, or the friend may steal it or tell his parents about it and you'd be held responsible. 

 

Just my 2 cents worth as a mom.  :yes:

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Which one are ya gonna get Ursula for Christmas, K-Bob?  :woot:

 

If I could afford to, I'd get her a Smith & Wesson M&P40.  She shoots mine so well and enjoys shooting it so much that it just seems a perfect fit for her.  She absolutely tore the "A" out of the center of an IPSC target with mine, she really likes it with the TLR-2 light and laser on it.  She said "...another thing is that I can really see the sights on this!"  She had been shooting her LCP and my LCR before the M&P.

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My wife doesn't like the idea either. Safety is our #1 concern. It will at all times be put up and out of site with lock and key.

 

That's good 2 cents. Better to see that people care than to see people not care. Thanks Holly.

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If I could afford to, I'd get her a Smith & Wesson M&P40.  She shoots mine so well and enjoys shooting it so much that it just seems a perfect fit for her.  She absolutely tore the "A" out of the center of an IPSC target with mine, she really likes it with the TLR-2 light and laser on it.  She said "...another thing is that I can really see the sights on this!"  She had been shooting her LCP and my LCR before the M&P.

 

K-Bob, I am so pleased that Ursula has taken to this like she has.  What a wonderful woman you have!  And what a wonderful man she married too!  :hug:

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K-Bob, I am so pleased that Ursula has taken to this like she has.  What a wonderful woman you have!  And what a wonderful man she married too!  :hug:

 

Really?  I hadn't met him yet... :huh:

 

 

But really, I'm happy too.  She has a lot more confidence about being home alone now.  I told her that next she gets to learn the art of the AR...

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My wife doesn't like the idea either. Safety is our #1 concern. It will at all times be put up and out of site with lock and key.

 

That's good 2 cents. Better to see that people care than to see people not care. Thanks Holly.

 

I know you and your wife will be good stewards, Bushwacker.  :yes:  I just know kids too, and believe me...if there is a way to get into a locked cabinet, a kid will find it.  My brother and I knew exactly where our dad kept all his cigars and girlie magazines, and where our mom kept her locked diary.  We picked that lock in two seconds flat.  :rofl:

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I know you and your wife will be good stewards, Bushwacker.  :yes:  I just know kids too, and believe me...if there is a way to get into a locked cabinet, a kid will find it.  My brother and I knew exactly where our dad kept all his cigars and girlie magazines, and where our mom kept her locked diary.  We picked that lock in two seconds flat.  :rofl:

 

Sounds like your dad would have been right at home in the ol' Man Cave!

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You guys would LOVE my dad.  He really is Jeremiah Johnson.  Dad is the coolest, smartest, most patient man in the whole world.  He is my hero.  :yes: 

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just going to throw in my 2 cents there OFG, ive had my permit for around 15 years now and ive carried a few. balistically the 40 is awsome, it was the first round to beat the 357 mag. in one shot stops from actuall shootings after the 357. held that record for over 30 years. ive carried a full sized 1911 45 for most the years and will always be a huge fan of the .45. for a novice or beginner a .45 might be slower to recover from for follow up shots but with some practice it becomes easy as pie.

im not a fan of the 9mm but it is cheap to shoot a lot and the more you shoot the better you will be so 2 quick 9mm in the center mass will always be better than1 .45 neer miss. and the newer 9mm self defence rounds are quite good now, they expand reliably and dont plug up with clothing as easally as they used to.

as far as guns go smaller = less rounds so if i had to carry less rounds id want big bullets. but thats just me. i have a s&w 908 that shoots super great, reliable and a dream to carry after carrying a full sized 1911 for years. the ive always liked glocks for there simplicity and reliability but the grip angle, and feel just never suited me(or the triggers)  s&w fixed everything about the glocks i didnt like with the m@p series...well except for the trigger.

there are a lot of good guns out there. the best advice i can give you is to hold  or shoot as many different ones in as many calibers as you can. even if you cant shoot it hold it in your hand and see how it feels, then close your eyes and point it at a wall like your going to shoot it. then open your eyes, see if the sights are lined up with your eye and not tilted wildly up or down. do it a couple times. if it dosnt point natural to you then id move on to another. if you want to shoot my 9mm or my 45 pm me, we will get together and shoot sometime

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Good advice, Razor.  I feel the same way about the Glock grip angle, it seems less pronounced on the more compact versions but it's still there.  The M&P really did grab my attention with that grip and the interchangeable inserts.

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