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There's a thread on this over at the Hoodlum's site: http://survival.com/IVB/index.php?showtopic=5263&hl=movie

 

I guess I'd fight to the death in guerrilla war against them, spoutin' Jack Burton and Duke Nukem quotes the whole time; (Learn 'em and Live by'em, SK: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Big_Trouble_in_Little_China , http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem ) - of course, sometimes the best way to fight is not to fight at all... but against the War of the Worlds style evil Martians? Lock and load, brotha!

 

-   But a military alien invasion doesn't seem very likely to me...

Nikolai Kardashev and Freeman Dyson developed the following classification for alien civilizations:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale

Type Level of Energy Control

I Absolute control over a planet's energy.

II Domination of stellar energy (e.g., Dyson's sphere).

III Galactic civilization where several stars are controlled.

IV Space-time manipulation (something we don't understand very well yet).

Our civilization is yet to achieve type I....

 

I may be prejudiced, but I'd like to think technological advance and evolutionary progress might preclude genocidal warfare.  The prospect of the Earth being demolished to make room for an Intersteller Hyper-Space Bypass, however, seem eerily probable if not down-right uncanny: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy

But whatever happens...

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Personally, I'm a bit more concerned about World War Z! : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Zombie_Survival_Guide

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ynXBMgLEbM

 

 

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The last thing you'll want to do is go with the masses.  They were being herded in the movie, making them easy pickings for the tri-pod machines.  I'd pull a wild game trick and circle back behind them and hide out where they've already been. 

 

Or........ I would head into the black hills and hide out in the hidden caverns that are there.:D

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Yeah I know where some old iron mines that are in my area.  I'd hide out there.  I'd avoid crowds as much as possible because they would be targets.  I'd also take a stroll through the National Guard armory for a bit of beefed up firepower.  Eventually you'd have to fight them because they are going to hunt every last person down to eradicate them.  You won't be able to hide forever.  Even if you did try to hide for the long term, they are terraforming the planet to fit their needs.  How long before you can't find food or even breath?

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I liked the original War Of The Worlds Better... either way,

 

I think we should hit them with everything we have (Biologically). If Hollywood has taught us ANYTHING it's that those aliens can't handle our germs. We should blast them with some Ebola Virus right out of Africa... some Small Pox, Anthrax, whatever we have! Since they LOVE blood so much, how about some nasty blood borne pathogens! MWAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA! :devil: :box: How 'bout a little Hepatitis Scare Crow? (nah... takes too long.) Ebola :thumbup: that will totally kick their asses. (if they have them...) :unsure:

 

http://angryalien.com/1005/wowbuns.asp

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Those aliens are just waiting for us to do ourselves in with global warming and then they can just take with no problems. :nono:

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I guess Taken and I will try to win them over with our Southern charm.  And if they prove to be impervious to that, then she and I will head to the hills with our families and hide in the caves in Tennessee. 

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Now, you'uns gots it all wrong!  Alls yuh gots tuh do is get them thar alee-uns outta hyar is get 'em started on sum Ol' Milaukee an' Marlburros.  Then yuh tell 'em 'bout them "Well-Fair" cheks, yuh know--gettin' on the draaww.  Nex' thang y'all know, them thar alee-uns will be too sorry an' lazee to do a thang!  Then, when ya gots 'em gud an' ree-laxed, tell 'em they gots to git JOBS!  Why, they'll clear outen hyar so fast it'll make yer hed spin!  :scared:

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OK, so in our apocolyptic society what is everyone doing to prepare for the impending invation (im serious)

 

Hoarding might help, but skills and training will be the best help anyone could have. Long term survival will depend on a HUGE number of factors.  It may not be entirely possible to survive all situations, although supplies on hand and advanced preparation can at least extend your ability to survive the initial devastation of a natural disaster.  In the case of alien invasion?  Well, that's a different story.

 

If we go by the BIG SCREEN version, we could fight back.  I don't believe it would be anything like what Hollywood has portrayed, however.  Biological warfare, terraforming, climatic change....well, we wouldn't stand much of a chance against a race with advanced technology.  Our primitive weaponry against beings who could cross the galaxy? Not gonna work.  I'd say the best case scenario would be that they WOULD try to physically invade rather than go the sneaky biological/climatic/chemical change route.  Then at least you'd have the satisfaction of banging away with the 12 gauge, whether it would be effective or not....

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That is my woman I have a figurine of Sarah Connor, she is one hot film character

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Hoarding might help, but skills and training will be the best help anyone could have. Long term survival will depend on a HUGE number of factors.  It may not be entirely possible to survive all situations, although supplies on hand and advanced preparation can at least extend your ability to survive the initial devastation of a natural disaster.  In the case of alien invasion?  Well, that's a different story.

 

If we go by the BIG SCREEN version, we could fight back.  I don't believe it would be anything like what Hollywood has portrayed, however.  Biological warfare, terraforming, climatic change....well, we wouldn't stand much of a chance against a race with advanced technology.  Our primitive weaponry against beings who could cross the galaxy? Not gonna work.  I'd say the best case scenario would be that they WOULD try to physically invade rather than go the sneaky biological/climatic/chemical change route.  Then at least you'd have the satisfaction of banging away with the 12 gauge, whether it would be effective or not....

 

 

Strategically if I were a advanced life form and I wanted to take over a planet.   I would simply bombard them from space till nothing was left.  Drop my terraforming equipment with some ground troops to mop up stragglers. :salute:  Then POOF I have a new planet.  :pray: :squirrel: I mean if you were going to attack a anthill, you would pour some kind of flammable or toxic liquid down the hole.  You wouldn't climb down into the anthill and attack it from the center.  But in a movie world my strategy would make for a very short movie. :sleep: :yawn:

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Guest HazeyWolf

OK, so in our apocolyptic society what is everyone doing to prepare for the impending invation (im serious)

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I made a sign and put it on my door - "No Mutants or Grays ALLOWED! This Means YOU!!"

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I don't believe in a literal, Biblical "Apocolypse" - to me, its a metaphor - a psychological event -  and the texts that speak of it are widely interpretted to relate to the era of late Rome - just my opinion.  "Apocalypse", from the verb apokalypto, "to reveal", is the name given to the last book of the New Testament in the Bible -the Book of Revelation by John. It almost didn't make it into the Bible... there are many other Apocryphal texts that didn't but are worth taking into account... Some literalist Biblical interpreters believe that the world is on the verge of the time of tribulation and they await the literal end of time and a mystical transformation of reality.  I prefer to view the Apocolypse as a symbol or metaphor of psychological tranformation and peice of historical literature relative to the politics of the day, not as a prophetic historical event.   

 

In any case, the Apocalypse belongs to a class of literature dealing with eschatological subjects and much in vogue among the Jews of the first century before, and after, Christ. Some have called it the "Great Non-Event"... I'm not holding out for it, but there are other disasterous events which, though unlikely, are worth considering... I'll still call it an Apocalypse - its become a cultural synonym for TEOTWAWKI.

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The mythologist Mircea Eliade ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mircea_Eliade ) suggested that the modern abandonment of mythical thought and the full acceptance of linear, historical time, with all its scientific ennumeration of cultural and species decay, destruction, the  "terror of history", is one of the reasons for our anxieties about the future. Traditional societies escape this anxiety to an extent, as they refuse to completely acknowledge historical time.

 

"In our day, when historical pressure no longer allows any escape, how can man tolerate the catastrophes and horrors of history—from collective deportations and massacres to atomic bombings—if beyond them he can glimpse no sign, no transhistorical meaning; if they are only the blind play of economic, social, or political forces, or, even worse, only the result of the 'liberties' that a minority takes and exercises directly on the stage of universal history?

 

"We know how, in the past, humanity has been able to endure the sufferings we have enumerated: they were regarded as a punishment inflicted by God, the syndrome of the decline of the 'age,' and so on. And it was possible to accept them precisely because they had a metahistorical meaning [...] Every war rehearsed the struggle between good and evil, every fresh social injustice was identified with the sufferings of the Saviour (or, for example, in the pre-Christian world, with the passion of a divine messenger or vegetation god), each new massacre repeated the glorious end of the martyrs. [...] By virtue of this view, tens of millions of men were able, for century after century, to endure great historical pressures without despairing, without committing suicide or falling into that spiritual aridity that always brings with it a relativistic or nihilistic view of history" - Mircea Eliade - Cosmos and History, pp. 151-52

 

So, I'm not a "survivalist" inspired by any Prophetic Theory (though the Mayans may be onto something with that thirteenth b'ak'tun cycle:  http://survive2012.com/ , http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast15feb_1.htm) It seems likely that life on Earth may continue for another 500 million years - or even a billion - before most plansts and animals are extinguished.  That's a very long time in human terms.  Who knows what homo sapiens may have evolved into, or what technology might exist in just a mere thousand years... it feels like time is speeding up, the exponential development of technology and science is almost out of control. It, like biological evolution, isn't purposeful - its more like an accident waiting to happen, an experiment run amok... but we humans do have the God-like ability to change the world and change ourselves.  For us, its as natural as a spider spinning its web, a bird making a nest... we make space-shuttle and super-coliders, nuclear weapons, and telescopes, and naon-tech and genetic drug therapies.  There isn't anything unnatural in the world.  But not every evolutionary tangent is successful.

 

- I respect people who choose to live as "survivalists" and who have libertarian views (or even proto-anarchistic Temporary Autonomous Zones or Pirate Utopias - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Autonomous_Zone) and would like to be able to adopt some "survivalist" self-sufficiency in a rural area eventually  (the hippy  and traditional homesteader version's are cool too).  I'm interested in civic preparedness, wilderness survival and "low-tech" lore and craft. 

 

Anything could happen but I don't see any signs of an impending invasion of any kind, and don't expect "the Rapture." 

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job:_A_Comedy_of_Justice)  There are plenty of other reasons to adopt some "survivalist" techniques though.  You can start by simple preparedness for more likely scenarios; a fire destroys your possessions, you're involved in a car accident, lose your job and savings, you encounter a crime or violence, you endure an earthquake or tornado, pandemic flu, market crash, etc... Start with self-sufficiency for 72 hours for you and your family.  Make emergency communication, relocation, and escape planes.  Train in basic first aid, cpr, martial arts, outdoor survival.  Increase your readiness to a month's supplies of food, water, shelter, medical supplies, alternative power, weapons defense training and other supplies... keep you day job, lol...

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As KentuckyBob has said, knowledge and training are the key to being prepared no matter how grave the situation. Learning a wide variety of survival skills is a process and a kind of philosophy of responsibility for one's self, loved ones, and community.

 

If you need to rely on your own self-sufficiency during an emergency for more than a month, then things might be really bad - but there may still be plenty of places that aren't - so you'll need transport unless you are dug in and are able to maintain self-sufficiency at a high level of sustainability.  That requires being somewhere secure and/or remote, and being experienced at self-sufficient living.  It can difficult to do alone unless you are in an environment with a lot of wild game and a lot of supplies or expensive technology. The best chance for surival in a self-sufficient "survivalist" situation is likely to be in a cooperative group.   Dick Proenneke, Ishi and many "stone-age" societies are great inspirations, as are the Pioneer and Frontier era homesteaders and trappers.  There are a lot of books, documentaries, and web-sites that discuss a whole range of self-reliant and efficient living practices, SK. 

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There are a lot of Homesteaders sharing info on the net - they were part of its core-group of participants when the internet was just getting started... http://homesteaders.meetup.com/

The Bioneers and similiar eco-sustainability groups have some cool projects and connections - http://www.bioneers.org/

I've always enjoyed the "Possum Living" account and stuff by Kurt Saxon... and the Frugal Squirrels have a lot of interesting info about such things: http://frugalsquirrels.com/

 

Ron Hoods "Urban Master I" is a great introduction to the the subject of house-hold preparedness: http://www.survival.com/html/urban_master_vol_1.html

 

"Survivalists" are often unfairly connoted to radical political, religious, or conspiracy-theory beliefs.  A more PC term is to be "self-reliant" or "self-sufficient."  To be so requires not just stored foods for emergency and winter, but the ability to produce food and supplies and barter with others.  The Amish do a pretty good job of it, and there are many farm-collectives and experimental communities to study.  There's a huge amount of info out there, from Arkologies and urban eco-futurism, the Bioshphere Project, Eco-houses and NASA's extra-terrestrial habitats... not to mention all the intentional communities that proliferated during the late 60s and 70s, many which are going strong today.

 

A terrible plague, war, meteor hit or other natural disaster could destroy civilization as we know it... and in 50 years the climate and resource scarcity could cause significant problems... but if things got really bad then I'm not sure I'd see the point in staying alive, other than as an expression of the power of the shear will to live.  I'd like to think I'd still have that in tact, but it might be tough to muster if you'd lost everyone you loved. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Sisyphus

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SK, you might enjoy these fiction books which imagine life in a future Apococlypse:

The Road by Cormac McCarthy: http://www.amazon.ca/Road-Cormac-Mccarthy/dp/0307265439

Lucifer's Hammer by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle:  http://www.amazon.com/Lucifers-Hammer-Larry-Niven/dp/0449208133/ref=cm_lmf_tit_8/002-0218530-7683233

Earth Abides by George R. Stewart: http://www.amazon.com/Earth-Abides-George-R-Stewart/dp/0345487133/ref=pd_sim_b_3/002-0218530-7683233

- There are lots of other books and lists of them available on the internet -

http://www.empty-world.com/index.html

 

Any you might even be a survivalist... http://onemansthoughts.wordpress.com/2007/07/05/you-might-just-be-a-survivalist-if/

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Guest taken by the wind...

 

Strategically if I were a advanced life form and I wanted to take over a planet.   I would simply bombard them from space till nothing was left.  Drop my terraforming equipment with some ground troops to mop up stragglers. :salute:  Then POOF I have a new planet.  :pray: :squirrel: I mean if you were going to attack a anthill, you would pour some kind of flammable or toxic liquid down the hole.  You wouldn't climb down into the anthill and attack it from the center.  But in a movie world my strategy would make for a very short movie. :sleep: :yawn:

 

~ but Super Squirrel... what if it wasn't an anthill? What if it was an African beehive? And it was their golden honey you were after? What would you do then Grasshopper?  :arigato:

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Guest HazeyWolf

In 'Starship Troopers' - Heinlein's "Bugs" used asteroids pulverize Terra ....  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_belt

http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/6739/innersolarsystemenzg0.png   If they'd used asteroids from our own asteroid belt they'd sure have lots of ammo!

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Good call Dave. Only in the story, the bugs got us first.  "Those alien bastards are gonna pay for shooting up my ride!" - Duke Nukem

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8040644322045894414&q=space+based+weapons&total=84&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

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http://www.afspc.af.mil/

 

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